Civilian Death Statistics in Iraq & Afghanistan Compared

Amazing. To prove your point further, could you add the number of Iraqi’s allegedly killed by Saddam before the invasion? I imagine it will look insignificant to the number killed afterwards.

pete brings up a good point; ARE these deaths caused by extremist muslims??

somebody should hack into the govt and find out what exactly is going on

@pete

“You forgot to mention who is killing these people. The implication is that the US is killing them. In fact it is extreme Muslims killing civilians and other extremist. Guess who they are going to kill next if given a chance?”

Well, it could have been Saddam killing them, or they could have killed each other, but it’s the US’s responsibility for the current chaos in Iraq.

There are 35000 babies killed each year in America by abortion. Your point is??

Let me know when the count gets to “all of them”.

Oh, so there are 35000 “babies” killed each year in America.
I guess that makes it OK for Americans to kill (directly or indirectly by throwing a country into chaos) 7-8 times as many people in another country.
So if a person kill 10 babies here, how many Americans can he or she come to kill in the US ?
Are the 35000 “babies” killed by the American government and/or the military ?
If each killing in Iraq had to be controlled and applied for like an abortion has to be in the US – how many Iraqis would have been killed do you think ?

You’re goddamn stupid to hold those numbers up against each other – it just makes no sense.
Stick to the topic.

Guess who is arming the “extremists” in Iraq, with the exception of the marginal al-Qaeda elements who form a small part of the resistance to the occupation?

Hint: It is a large country in the center of North America between Mexico and Canada.

The US is still closely involved in the Iraqi Interior Ministry, known for Shia death squad activity, arms Sunnis (as just reported last week) and uses Kurdish pershmergas to attack Sunni resistance forces in cities like Fallujah.

So, yes, the US can be held responsible for the vast majority of deaths in Iraq since the invasion. But, then, that’s how empires justify perpetual occupations of other countries, by inciting existing ethnic and religious conflicts, arming the participants and then claiming that they must stay to stop them from killing each other, which they do in ever increasing numbers under the watchful eye of the occupation.

The Lancet survey actually was a conservative figure
–Thus, 650,000 deaths is only an estimate; the range of possible deaths is actually 392,979 to 942,636. What this means is that we can be 95 percent certain that the number of excess deaths is in this range, but our best estimate is 654,965. You can think of this as a bell curve, centered 654,965 where the curve is highest. The other values in the range are less likely than to be the “true value” though not as much less likely as a number outside the range.–

while your aims are laudable you have denied a peer reviewed study that used accepted methodology that privately was accepted by the UK govt. even when publically politicians rubbished it. Also the 650,000 is an old figure, Dr Gideon Polya extrapolated the deaths and now the estimate is 1 million
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_headline=deaths-in-iraq-have-reached-1-million&method=full&objectid=18775387&siteid=66633-name_page.html
and
http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-polya220307.htm
Regardless of accepting his new figure I suggest that you accept the work of several noted scientists published in the Lancet, a prestigious British journal for medicine, with professors from Johns Hopkins University and the School of Medicine at Al Mustansirlya Univesity in Baghdad.
Lancet study pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf

The point that Pete is making, and the point that Petru is missing, is that this type of activity is not new. Those that think it is only started watching and reading the news after the United States went to war, because at that point it became fashionable to attack the US government. dissolving Saddam’s regime did very little to increase the amount of Iraqi civilian deaths, and absolutely nothing to affect these numbers in Afghanistan. I think if this graph showed the number of civilian deaths before the US did anything in the middle east, the numbers would be near the same. Good luck finding the figures though, I imagine they’re buried beneath vast layers of fake numbers to “verify” such “shocking” numbers and revelations as this.

Alec: I concur with Teth, although your use of more recent acts of terrorism does eliminate most IRA related deaths. Still, on 9-11, there were 67 British nationals murdered. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3646682.stm), so again, your statistics should be corrected. I would also take umbridge with not counting the IRA related deaths; The British have been dealing with terrorism (largely US funded) for years, thus their reaction to 9-11 should take this into account.

Having said all that, it still would not come anywhere close to the tragic and largely avoidable deaths of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

j

Holy Toledo Batman! Wikipedia as a source
If you had so many other sources why use the least credible?

great website-
http://www.logictimes.com/antiwar.htm

If you hate bush and America you need to read. scroll down past the pics and look at the calculations of death toll

Seems to me that ignorant people like to attribute several hundred thousand deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan to muslim terrorism. this is presumptuous and false. i know its hard to think about how many people have died because you voted for evil jackasses that act in the best interest of the financial elite (not that we’re given any legitimate, altruistically acting options when voting,) but trying to pull the wool over more people’s eyes is despicable to me (even if you don’t realize how brainwashed you are.) Billions upon billions of tax dollars aren’t spent on these wars for the common good, its to make rich people more rich and more powerful, at the expense of millions of people in the bed of humanity. and the ludicrously excessive military budget isn’t even directed towards taking care of our soldiers. wake… up. research, think outside the box.

We fight so that the deaths of other soldiers isnt a waste

When we speak of terroist what do you call the CIA . Training terroist and assasinations in Ft. benning, Ga. to cause civil unrest in third world countries resulting in over throw of goverment in favor of one who will bend to the US goverments will. An organization that from 1947 until 2008 is responsible for the death of over six million people. Mostly civilian. Of course they have the backing of congress and the president even though they aren’t a goverment agency. Have to give them credit. They have removed some famous dictators and also put some in office. Some by assasination. These incidents are public record now. Saddam, Oaddafi and Noreiga. All three were used and discared by the CIA. All the weapons Saddam had were given to him by the US to overthrow the goverment of Iran. Everyone knows this war was illegal. As was the Vietnam War and so will be Libya and Iran. The only one who uses weapons of mass destruction is the US. Uk and France. Iraqi civilian casualities since invasion 250,00. Afghani civilian casualities since invasion 3500. They totals are on the low side. How many so far in Pakistan and Libya? The Bilderberg Group and The Trilateral WWCommision are saying well done Bush and Obama. We will achieve our goal. i was surpised to learn Obama,Joe Biden, Bush, Clinton,and Kissenger are five of the 130 members. Personally, i feel like we have little hope. people need to read and understand the goals of these two groups.