After facing an unplanned pregnancy at 19 I did not change my view from pro-life to pro-choice. I was even more sure all life is sacred and it is not our choice to end an innocent life.
“F*** you.” Says the ant who’s family got stepped on by you, thus ending all their “innocent” and “sacred” lives. Knock it off with your “holier than thou” mentality. You still don’t get to decide whether or not other women continue their pregnancies or not.
I’ll bet you all one ticket to trollville that this is either someone trolling, or someone who chooses to live their short life worrying about judgment that will never come.
It would be nice if women made the choice to keep their legs closed if they don’t want to risk becoming pregnant. It would be nice if men and women decided to use protection when deciding to have sex instead of being irresponsible in the “heat of the moment”. If you choose to have unprotected sex, there are consequences but for many (not all) they simply choose to abort as an easy out to their irresponsibility. I understand some women have no choice (when raped) but for those that do have a choice and become pregnant because they didn’t want to have protected sex, it’s a shame they choose abortion instead of adoption.
Think about how many kids out there who are orphaned, and left without parents. Think about how many kids grow up to be psychologically disturbed because of the life they had to endure without a family, support system, and education. Not only that, but “women need to keep their legs closed?” I can without a doubt assume (and know that I’m not making an ass out of myself) that you are male just by that statement. It’s a two way street in case you are unfamiliar with the way sex works; and clearly you are, because you seem to have forgotten that women CAN get pregnant even with the use of protection. Condoms can break, and birth control can fail.
Perhaps they should get to choose whether or not they want to continue living or not. Some people overcome the obstacles life throws at them. Some don’t. But that would be a sad fact of life whether abortion was legal or not.
It would be nice if America’s sex education programs didn’t suck, and if those shitty abstinence programs didn’t exist. Then this would be a minor problem instead of a shit show.
When people have consensual sex they make a conscious choice and know the risks. Use protection and have safe sex and you won’t have to worry about an abortion.
My mom (many years ago) once dated a married man (she was unaware that he was married, and he lied to her). She accidentally got pregnant, and decided it was best to abort the pregnancy because of the situation. Right after this, she met my dad, got married, and got pregnant with me. If she hadn’t aborted that baby, I wouldn’t be alive, and her life might have been a lot different.
Thank you both for leveling the playing field of the argument, and nullifying the opposition that abortion is baby killing, when in fact it can be baby SAVING.
Before this happened to me i never wanted to be ‘one of those people’ but believe me the young lady who is going through this doesnt find it easy and its a decision that isnt made lightly. why are you so wrapped up in other people’s lives, the decision they make doesnt affect you in anyway. and if your on about tax money. What if the lady in question isnt in a financial position to raise the child and for the first 6 years of it’s life it lives of tax payers money? then what costs more….? Women should do what they please when they find out they are pregnant. they are going to feel so much anger, grief and pain for the rest of their lives if they do chose abortion why would you want to hurt them more. Be a decent human being and keep hurtful opinions to yourself. Women are going to continue having abortions weather you like it or not so why not cheer up and stop making misery for yourself. go have a life.
including murder hmm yes all women should have the right to murder, and as our constitution says we are all equal we shall give men the right to murder as well. Adoption is always available there is no reason to kill your child.
According to the constitution, the only people who really have rights are those that have been born or naturalized. Since a fetus is neither, they really don’t have rights legally.
As for adoption, kids that go into state run foster homes because they were given up by their parents are more likely to be abused than those not taken away.
“10,440 children died from child abuse and neglect from 2001 through 2007. That is a sobering statistic. Here are more disturbing statistics from the same report: In 2001, 1,300 children died from child abuse or neglect in the United States. In 2007, the number rose to 1,760. Seventy five percent of the children were under age four, 13% were 4-7 years old, and 11% were 8 or older.
It gets worse. In thousands of these cases, people had contacted child protective services because they were concerned about the children being in danger. Unfortunately, thanks to tight budgets and staff that is stretched too thin, these children’s lives were not saved.
According to this report, these numbers might actually be low. The report states:” –> http://ouradopt.com/category/child-abuse-statistics
The same study shares the number of reported child abuse and neglect cases from 2001 through 2007. The lowest number during this period is almost 1.4 million in a year (2003), and the highest is over 2.6 million (in 2001), with a total of over 14.3 million cases of child abuse and neglect reported during this time period.
Out of the the confirmed abuses:
60% neglect (lack of food, clothing, shelter, hygiene, education, medical care or protection)
13% multiple maltreatments
11% physical abuse
8% sexual abuse
4% emotional abuse
1% medical neglect
4% other mistreatment (abandonment, threats, congenital drug addiction)
50% or more of cases are associated with parental alcohol or drug abuse
How about sometimes we like to thump other things besides our bibles, because we are HUMAN BEINGS and the biological goal of all life is to survive and PRODUCE YOUNG (in our case we do the act, only safely to prevent the actual end product. Do the natural thing and have sex, but safely.
You realize that we don’t have to be bible thumpers to know that our actions in life come with consequences, right? One of the possible consequences–and the biological reason for sex to begin with–is pregnancy. If anything, any non-natural abortion could be construed as an affront to the process of natural selection.
im all for abortion. the planet is over populated as it is, abortion is just another way to keep the number down. ontop of that many people shouldnt have children anyways.
being against abortion is kinda like saying: i know these are really bad people that should never in a million years have a kid. but i dont like abortion, so i guess they can have it. then the kid grows up to be a serial killer because a group of people didnt want him to be killed. so you saved 1 life so he could grow up and kill 3, 4 maybe many more. gj
if you had known hitlers mother before he was born, and knew he was going to grow up to do the things he did. and his mother was thinking about getting an abortion, would you be against it? and if you were and you talked her out of it. you would be responsible of the deaths of many people.
it really isnt anyones choice but the mother who is having the child. do you like it when people come in and tell you how to live your life? or when people pester you that you should do this thing instead of that? personally i think anyone who is willing to stick their noses in other peoples business are lower then the people who want to get an abortion… or murderers… atleast they kind of stick to themselves… unless there is some murderer group that goes around telling other murderers not to stick the knife in there, but over here…
Thank you. Abortions are a huge, life-altering decision; exactly the sort you shouldn’t have to make immediately following a rape. It amazes me how many people throw the emotionally-charged rape card when they themselves haven’t been in that position. I kept my son, and he is beautiful even if all of his features don’t match mine. If I was unable to raise him, I could have found a family who would be able to do. I can’t imagine the pressure some rape victims might be under to have an abortion, if for no other reason than I didn’t have anyone around to do the pressuring. But if I had, who knows what would have happened? I was so vulnerable that even deciding what to eat or whether out get out of bed seemed like a cataclysmic decision.
I’ll bet you 14 years later, you couldn’t be more wrong! Many of us are walking the earth as a result of unplanned pregnancies. Back in the day, they used to call them surprises. LOL there’s nothing ironic or true about this poster.
Its not like pro-choice people are pro-abortion, they just accept there are certain circumstances, including rape, that would justify an abortion. No one is going to use it as birth control, it costs up to a grand or more depending on the area. Well, maybe donald trump could afford it but who’s gonna bang that guy anyway. If its concern for the life of a few cells, i personally would not care if I was aborted, i would not be alive to care. it wouldn’t make any difference, the world would keep on spinning the way it does now. Do any guys remember being circumcised at birth? probably pretty painful, but no recollection AT ALL and thats after 9 months. The fetus wouldnt know the difference
Reposted because I am also Brazilian and this person has a point.
What exactly would the U.S get out of the pro-life agenda being pushed through? Aborations made illegal? Well hate to break it to you, that’s not going to stop abortions.As some one from Brazil, the most catholic nation in the world that strictly bans abortion, I can tell you I know more Brazilians that have had abortions then Americans. Just instead of doing in in safe sterile doctors office’s, they throw themselves down stairs, do large amounts of drugs, or take “remedies” (basically posionous herbs) to cause miscarriages. Or they get themselves into debt paying unqualified black market “doctors” to give them abortions. Or they commit suicide, killing 2 “innocent people”. Is that any better?
Don’t you dare say Pro-choice is pro-murder. I HATE the idea of abortions. But I’m not going to allow my personal ideology to affect a rational policy decision. You’re just as pro-murder as I am, only you want it swept under the rug where you won’t hear about it, so you can feel better about yourself. Really fucking noble.
No one has the right to tell ANYONE what they should and shouldn’t do. Can’t you see we are all pro-choice. Do you let someone control your life? Are you seriously telling me you would give up all of your freedom and let someone control you? Of course not, that borders ridiculous. We all have CHOICES, because we weigh the consequences, both good and bad, and we decide what we will do. A Pro-Life individual made the CHOICE to NOT have an abortion. Hate to break it to you, you are all Pro-choice. No one forced you to keep the baby, it was your own decision. You and the Pro-Choice woman who did get an abortion, standing right next to you, are the same. Until the moment someone can tell me that they didn’t have a CHOICE when coming to term, I will remain a proponent of Women’s Choice.
The thing that every pro-choice advocate forgets is that to the pro-life advocates believe life begins at conception. That is where the two conflicting rights collide. The right for the woman to decide not to have a baby, and to have control over her body, and the right for the unborn baby to live. The problem with this debate is that there is a difference of opinion on when life begins. If it were proven that life actually began at conception and that abortion was the killing of a human being, then most pro-choice advocates would become pro-life. Conversely, if it were proven that life did not begin at conception, and life in fact began at birth, then most pro-life advocates would become pro-choice. There is a difference of opinion on when life begins, and our stances emanate from those opinions. So trying to convince a pro-life advocate to become pro-choice by preaching about the merits individual choice is non-sensical because killing a baby is never a choice.
Yes, but you don’t understand. You make the choice to engage in sexual intercourse and have a child. Unless it is by rape, then it was your CHOICE to have a baby. Doesn’t that make you Pro-Choice? I know that may be a hard question to answer, because you will try very hard to convince me that someone who is Pro-Life still does not have a choice in the matter.
This is why both sides of the coin need a name that’s not ridiculous ( a simple pro- or anti-abortion would suffice, but then it’s harder to argue the moral high ground). By your logic, I am pro-choice because I chose to have pizza for breakfast this morning, instead of being force-fed through a tube.
Why in the hell would (s)he answer your ridiculous argument with an equally nonsensical one? A pro-lifer doesn’t believe that there is no choice in the matter, they believe that killing human beings that can’t stand up for themselves is wrong. You have a choice to murder people, rob convenience stores and defraud your taxes. It doesn’t mean it’s right.
I was pro-life and so was my girlfriend. She got pregnant, unplanned. I chose to marry her. We chose to have the baby. We chose to have three more children. And those choices were the best choices I have ever made. Thank you.
You made a lot of choices for being pro life. A lot of couples in the same situation chose to not have that experience, and you have no right to take that away from them, just the same as they have no right to take your children away from you. Plus, you were clearly in a healthy situation where you took care of it and made it a healthy environment for children. Not all couples have that ability. Your situation changes nothing. Thank you.
My parents started out dirt-poor, and I’m glad I got to live long enough to decide whether or not my own life was worth living. There are plenty of things worse than death, but it’s not your decision if I should have lived to endure them or not.
I think the cartoon is more of a commentary on the motivations of the pro-choice crowd, and less of a exposure of pro-life hypocrisy. The cartoon gets right to the root of why someone is pro-choice. It is a selfish, self-serving act. The cartoon illustrates that pro-choice people want to be able to act irresponsibly and not have to deal with the consequences of their bad choices. The person in the cartoon turns from pro-life to pro-choice when she needs a “get out of jail free” card by recasting the humanity of the fetus. To her the fetus is no longer is a living baby, and becomes a blob of innocuous cells. The pro-choice people make the decision that the fetus is not living at different points in their lives. Some wait until they get pregnant to deny the humanity of the fetus while other pro-choice people make that decision preemptively as an insurance policy against having to deal with the consequences of their own irresponsibility. Either way that choice is made, and it is a way to ease the conscience of the pro-choice people.
So is this trying to say that all abortions come from couples that planned to have a baby and abort? Sorry but people HAVE abortions to begin with because they did NOT intend to get pregnant. I happen to know someone who got pregnant and I assure you it did NOT turn them pro-choice and to this day they are at peace with their decision and would not change the way things went. I personally find it disgusting how judgmental most pro-lifers are while at the same time the vast majority are “christian”.
BL June 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM is correct in his/her logic. Thanks for having some common sense.
Pro-lifers are anti-abortion. I fail to see how this is in contradiction to the Christian faith. You may argue one way or another whether or not being pro-choice is compatible with Christianity, but certainly /not/ ending a life just in case it counts as human would be in line with the traditional values thereof. Pretty sure Jesus was anti-killing of people in general, based on what the man said.
That doesn’t fix the whole “I don’t want to squeeze a watermelon out of my vagina” part. You still have to go through giving birth and morning sickness and attachment just to give the baby to already full adoption agencies. What’s the point?
yeah, because there aren’t already enough parents without children there. I was given up for adoption, and group up mainly in foster homes. I’m one of the lucky few that was able to take care of my self and grow up somewhat well-adjusted. But i knew plenty of people who have miserable lives, crippling depression and drug habits, that struggle with personal identity. most of these people would of chosen to never live at all, rather then having to live with the unanswerable questions of “what is wrong with me?” “why didn’t my parent’s want me?” and “will I ever be ok?” how about you get informed, before you form your idiotic opinions?? in summary;
One word: moron.
If pro lifers don’t like killing, then why is it okay to kill people who kill (death sentence) but not to “kill” fetuses? Also, why call abortion murder? Murder is an act of hate. No pregnant women goes, “I hate my fetus, so I’m killing it.”
Would premeditated, voluntary manslaughter suit your tastes better? I believe the English word for that is ‘murder.’
And not all of us agree with capital punishment. I certainly don’t. Those who do would make the distinction that killing a murderer is not the same as killing an innocent person, but if asked, most of them would gladly renounce capital punishment if it meant getting rid of illegal abortion.
Hello, Pro- Lifers. I am an atheist. That means that 40% of your arguments are instantaneously thrown out the window when I am reading them and trying to make sense of your viewpoint. I also stay on top of medical developments. This means that 30% more of your arguments are also invalid, as they are disproven by far more reliable sources than a Jesusfreak with a computer. The other 30% could be viable, if a fetus could be scientifically proven to be sapient. Life does, in fact begin, at the moment of conception. The problem is, life does not equal sapience. A creature becomes sapient when they have compiled enough knowledge and experience to determine their actions based on wisdom and previously acquired knowledge. A fetus is incapable of reason, exerting will, or responding with a stingingly witty remark to an irreverent comment on an abortion forum. Until fetuses are proven to be sapient, which, I believe, is impossible, I will remain firmly rooted in the Pro- Choice camp.
And children aren’t born with the ability to use reason or logic, and so don’t base their action off of wisdom, pre-acquired knowledge or experience. By your logic, we should be able to kill them until they’re at least 5. And I’ve seen plenty of grown-ass adults on this site who couldn’t even articulate a complete sentence, let alone give witty remarks. I don’t think that means I can go their house and terminate them. On the other hand, a fetus jostling its mother’s ribcage with a well-placed foot is an act of both will and motor control, but depending on what state you live in (most of them), you can abort them anyway. The fetus may not have willed to kick its mother, but it did will its foot to move.
The point is that there is an arbitrary line between what counts as ‘murder’ and what counts as ‘removing a parasite.’ And in a pro-choice argument, that arbitrary line is drawn… Wherever is most convenient. They’re willing to take a chance Most people who are pro-life, however, will tell you that a human life begins at conception. Anyone who tries to take that to the conclusion that a sperm or egg is a human life needs to retake high school biology. Each of those are gametes; they lack a full set of human DNA. A zygote, on the other hand, has a full set of human DNA, which would be the minimum requirement for human life. Genetically speaking, a zygote is a homo Sapien from the moment it’s formed. Period. Shall I be forced to assume that since you “stay on top of medical developments,” you chose to willfully ignore this? I wasn’t aware that we could evolve from one species to another within one lifetime, much less many, but I guess I missed that issue of Harvard Medical, Scientific American, Nation Geographic, Time, take your pick. I mean, that would be breaking freaking news. Furthermore, saying the fetus isn’t human because it’s a parasite isn’t really any different than saying someone who’s permanently comatose and can’t feed themselves, but euthanasia is illegal in many of the same places where abortion is legal.
If we’re going to argue that they’re a ball of cells and not a baby (or ‘fetus’, if you prefer, though it’s just Latin for ‘baby’), then my question is: How many cells have to comprise a body before it counts as human? Is someone with fewer cells less of a person than someone with more? It’s a ridiculous extreme, but then so is saying that a fetus isn’t human because it doesn’t look like one. Some people are horribly deformed for one reason or another, and they don’t magically lose their humanity because of it. As a side note, a lot of the same people who are pro-abortion are against cruelty to animals, even though they aren’t human. While I agree with that particular noble stance, I find it strange that that sense of compassion often doesn’t extend to all of the human race (I’m not implying that all animal rights activists are pro-abortion, or vice verse). That’s every bit as hypocritical as an anti-abortionist who advocates capital punishment (and as above not all of them do).
Lastly, this one puzzles me. One decides that until we can prove a fetus is sentient, we should be allowed to kill it. This is essentially playing roulette with one’s own sense of conscience, assuming they think killing another human being is wrong at least most of the time (if not always). Could one reconcile their conscience if they had an abortion and the scientific, legal and political establishments all agreed that ‘humanity’ begins at a time in fetal development that was /before/ their baby was aborted? Whether or not one believes in a god, gods, flying spaghetti monsters, or cosmic punishment, they probably find it morally reprehensible to take another person’s life. If not, they should consult the latest edition of the DSM, because it lists several disorders that that symptom falls under, and last I heard, being a sociopath doesn’t work as a defense in court.
I hope none of you guys ever have to make that decision, it is a hard choice to make but it is never black and white, it is in shades of grey. You have no idea what the poor girl is going through or how she events lead to her being pregnant. Think before you judge.
Yeah. I know if I ended up pregnant and I was forced to keep it I would become depressed, I would have to move back home, moving back home means dropping out of school, moving back home means leaving my friends, moving back home means leaving my boyfriend, back home I only have family that is it. I would mentally not be able to handle going through with the pregnancy.
Anyone who would wishes and says I deserve the depression, giving up my future, having to raise it on my own, years of regret, having to give up everything that I know and makes me happy, and giving up being able to support that child on my own upon me is a horrible human being.
By any chance are you of the male persuasion? Because if you are (and even if you are not) you have overlooked the most important part of this entire situation. THE PAIN OF CHILDBIRTH. Go through all of that so I can put a child up for adoption? I DON’T THINK SO YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS, PRO-LIFER. And one more thing. Putting a child up for adoption is NEVER EASY. The process is long and complicated and it often results in an unhappy and unfulfilled life for your child. The emotional toll taken on people who put children up for adoption is terrible. Now, before you keep on spitting out your illogical little arguments (such as the one you have just submitted), I’d like you too take a look at this whole abortion debate in a completely different way. Abortion= a woman’s choice, a way to cut down on Medicare and Food Stamp usage in the US (if the mother cannot afford to feed or provide medical care for the child), a thing that is not accepted in some groups of people just because of religion (should not be mixed with government EVER, not in a million years. The US needs a completely secular government unclouded by the idea of religion to function) and political parties (Republicans/Conservatives= close minded individuals who relish in taking rights away from people instead of giving them). And one more thing before I leave you to your thoughts. Did you completely miss the top part of this comment? Because in the top part of this comment, it says that if she were to keep the child (not to get an abortion. And by keep, I just mean not getting an abortion. Not keep as in not putting the child up for adoption) she would have to quit school, move back to her parents’ home, and leave her friends and her boyfriend. How can this be avoided by giving the child up for adoption? It’s not as if putting the kid up for adoption will help her keep herself in school because an abortion happens AFTER PREGNANCY in case you weren’t sure (just making sure, you sound like a complete and utter ignoramus from your comment). Putting the child up for adoption does not mean that you can still stay in school and support yourself while you are pregnant (or did you not know that?). Thank you for reading and let me just say, abortions should be a right afforded to any woman who wants one. She should have the power to have one and the boyfriend/husband/rapist/friend/casual acquaintance who impregnated the aforementioned woman, should have absolutely no right to choose whether or not she has the baby. A woman’s body is her own and she deserves to make every and all choices regarding it. That is all. Have a nice day 🙂
i had one, and i’m not secretly pro-choice. doin’ pretty great, actually; i’ve always been glad that i stuck to my convictions. the circumstances were soul-crushing at the very beginning, but my kid turned out happy, healthy, and worth more than anything to our family.
What the hell is wrong with all of you trolls? do you realize that this stupid internet argument through comments on a COMEDIC picture is maybe the stupidest place for you to make your pro-whatever stance? go out and have fun, or at least just hit stumble again, instead of getting pissed off at anonymous comments from people just as stupid as you are. stop acting like jackasses for practically the whole world to see. I hope I don’t know any of you people in real life.
Here’s an idea to all the guys that are prolife… Ur sperm is technically “alive” … So suggestion ? Don’t jerk off and kill your future kids lol after all they need body temperature to survive an you wouldn’t want to kill them now would you lol
False. Technically “alive” indicates a heartbeat and nervous system required to sustain life. My swimmers? Not alive. Your unborn fetus? It has a heartbeat at 18 days. Congratulations on your invalid argument.
No, you are wrong. A heartbeat and a nervous system are requirements made by doctors to determine if a fully grown human patient is still alive. These are practical definitions and not scientific ones. They are used for clinical reasons. It is also absurd to apply this criteria to a non-fully grown human.
I wished everyday of my life that i was aborted. I should not have been. I am now on anti-depressents and not able to attain a gun after several suicide attempts. If someone should come upon another mode of death that is unseen by the eyes of a conventional human please share so that I may correct my mother’s sins.
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After facing an unplanned pregnancy at 19 I did not change my view from pro-life to pro-choice. I was even more sure all life is sacred and it is not our choice to end an innocent life.
“F*** you.” Says the ant who’s family got stepped on by you, thus ending all their “innocent” and “sacred” lives. Knock it off with your “holier than thou” mentality. You still don’t get to decide whether or not other women continue their pregnancies or not.
she wasn’t necessarily trying to decide anything. she was just rebutting the snarky assumption in the picture. jeez.
I’ll bet you all one ticket to heaven that only God can judge me.
I’ll bet you all one ticket to trollville that this is either someone trolling, or someone who chooses to live their short life worrying about judgment that will never come.
It would be nice if women made the choice to keep their legs closed if they don’t want to risk becoming pregnant. It would be nice if men and women decided to use protection when deciding to have sex instead of being irresponsible in the “heat of the moment”. If you choose to have unprotected sex, there are consequences but for many (not all) they simply choose to abort as an easy out to their irresponsibility. I understand some women have no choice (when raped) but for those that do have a choice and become pregnant because they didn’t want to have protected sex, it’s a shame they choose abortion instead of adoption.
Think about how many kids out there who are orphaned, and left without parents. Think about how many kids grow up to be psychologically disturbed because of the life they had to endure without a family, support system, and education. Not only that, but “women need to keep their legs closed?” I can without a doubt assume (and know that I’m not making an ass out of myself) that you are male just by that statement. It’s a two way street in case you are unfamiliar with the way sex works; and clearly you are, because you seem to have forgotten that women CAN get pregnant even with the use of protection. Condoms can break, and birth control can fail.
I’m a woman, and if women don’t want to get pregnant, and aren’t using protection, then yes they need to keep their legs closed.
Perhaps they should get to choose whether or not they want to continue living or not. Some people overcome the obstacles life throws at them. Some don’t. But that would be a sad fact of life whether abortion was legal or not.
I would much rather be aborted than adopted. Are you kidding? Have you even been to an orphanage. Fuck that.
It would be nice if America’s sex education programs didn’t suck, and if those shitty abstinence programs didn’t exist. Then this would be a minor problem instead of a shit show.
When people have consensual sex they make a conscious choice and know the risks. Use protection and have safe sex and you won’t have to worry about an abortion.
My mom (many years ago) once dated a married man (she was unaware that he was married, and he lied to her). She accidentally got pregnant, and decided it was best to abort the pregnancy because of the situation. Right after this, she met my dad, got married, and got pregnant with me. If she hadn’t aborted that baby, I wouldn’t be alive, and her life might have been a lot different.
Same here, without an abortion my mom wouldn’t have wonderful old me!
Thank you both for leveling the playing field of the argument, and nullifying the opposition that abortion is baby killing, when in fact it can be baby SAVING.
Before this happened to me i never wanted to be ‘one of those people’ but believe me the young lady who is going through this doesnt find it easy and its a decision that isnt made lightly. why are you so wrapped up in other people’s lives, the decision they make doesnt affect you in anyway. and if your on about tax money. What if the lady in question isnt in a financial position to raise the child and for the first 6 years of it’s life it lives of tax payers money? then what costs more….? Women should do what they please when they find out they are pregnant. they are going to feel so much anger, grief and pain for the rest of their lives if they do chose abortion why would you want to hurt them more. Be a decent human being and keep hurtful opinions to yourself. Women are going to continue having abortions weather you like it or not so why not cheer up and stop making misery for yourself. go have a life.
including murder hmm yes all women should have the right to murder, and as our constitution says we are all equal we shall give men the right to murder as well. Adoption is always available there is no reason to kill your child.
According to the constitution, the only people who really have rights are those that have been born or naturalized. Since a fetus is neither, they really don’t have rights legally.
As for adoption, kids that go into state run foster homes because they were given up by their parents are more likely to be abused than those not taken away.
“10,440 children died from child abuse and neglect from 2001 through 2007. That is a sobering statistic. Here are more disturbing statistics from the same report: In 2001, 1,300 children died from child abuse or neglect in the United States. In 2007, the number rose to 1,760. Seventy five percent of the children were under age four, 13% were 4-7 years old, and 11% were 8 or older.
It gets worse. In thousands of these cases, people had contacted child protective services because they were concerned about the children being in danger. Unfortunately, thanks to tight budgets and staff that is stretched too thin, these children’s lives were not saved.
According to this report, these numbers might actually be low. The report states:” –> http://ouradopt.com/category/child-abuse-statistics
The same study shares the number of reported child abuse and neglect cases from 2001 through 2007. The lowest number during this period is almost 1.4 million in a year (2003), and the highest is over 2.6 million (in 2001), with a total of over 14.3 million cases of child abuse and neglect reported during this time period.
Out of the the confirmed abuses:
60% neglect (lack of food, clothing, shelter, hygiene, education, medical care or protection)
13% multiple maltreatments
11% physical abuse
8% sexual abuse
4% emotional abuse
1% medical neglect
4% other mistreatment (abandonment, threats, congenital drug addiction)
50% or more of cases are associated with parental alcohol or drug abuse
Why is adoption better?
How about pro-abstinence=p best birth control ever
Unless you count the Virgin Mary.
How about sometimes we like to thump other things besides our bibles, because we are HUMAN BEINGS and the biological goal of all life is to survive and PRODUCE YOUNG (in our case we do the act, only safely to prevent the actual end product. Do the natural thing and have sex, but safely.
You realize that we don’t have to be bible thumpers to know that our actions in life come with consequences, right? One of the possible consequences–and the biological reason for sex to begin with–is pregnancy. If anything, any non-natural abortion could be construed as an affront to the process of natural selection.
I was aborted and turned out fine. All these fetuses need to stop bitchin and man up.
When I was a fetus, I aborted my mother.
im all for abortion. the planet is over populated as it is, abortion is just another way to keep the number down. ontop of that many people shouldnt have children anyways.
being against abortion is kinda like saying: i know these are really bad people that should never in a million years have a kid. but i dont like abortion, so i guess they can have it. then the kid grows up to be a serial killer because a group of people didnt want him to be killed. so you saved 1 life so he could grow up and kill 3, 4 maybe many more. gj
if you had known hitlers mother before he was born, and knew he was going to grow up to do the things he did. and his mother was thinking about getting an abortion, would you be against it? and if you were and you talked her out of it. you would be responsible of the deaths of many people.
it really isnt anyones choice but the mother who is having the child. do you like it when people come in and tell you how to live your life? or when people pester you that you should do this thing instead of that? personally i think anyone who is willing to stick their noses in other peoples business are lower then the people who want to get an abortion… or murderers… atleast they kind of stick to themselves… unless there is some murderer group that goes around telling other murderers not to stick the knife in there, but over here…
P.S boohoo, a child died. ya well, its life. gtf over it and move on.
Help control the human population. Abort that baby!
We can start the mass sterilizations with you! 😀
abortion is murder you selfish fucktwits.
why? are you a vegan?
It’s a joke. Laugh or get off the internet.
If you’re pro-life, then don’t have an abortion. The end.
oh my god. you’re a genius
18 year old rape victim here, saying that that’s untrue and insulting. i respect people who are pro-choice, please return the favour.
Thank you. Abortions are a huge, life-altering decision; exactly the sort you shouldn’t have to make immediately following a rape. It amazes me how many people throw the emotionally-charged rape card when they themselves haven’t been in that position. I kept my son, and he is beautiful even if all of his features don’t match mine. If I was unable to raise him, I could have found a family who would be able to do. I can’t imagine the pressure some rape victims might be under to have an abortion, if for no other reason than I didn’t have anyone around to do the pressuring. But if I had, who knows what would have happened? I was so vulnerable that even deciding what to eat or whether out get out of bed seemed like a cataclysmic decision.
“The moment a woman cannot make choices about her own body is the moment when she becomes a slave to the fetus inside of her.”
Saw that once on another site talking about abortion and thought it was rather poignant.
I’ll bet you 14 years later, you couldn’t be more wrong! Many of us are walking the earth as a result of unplanned pregnancies. Back in the day, they used to call them surprises. LOL there’s nothing ironic or true about this poster.
PEOPLE, STOP SAYING “ABORTING BABIES” A FETUS IS NOT A BABY
Fetus is Latin for baby, dumbass. Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare.
Calling the Spanish flu by its Latin name doesn’t mean it’s suddenly something other than Spanish flu.
OH I’M SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!
I think all babies should be born and then we just drown the ones we don’t like.
Its not like pro-choice people are pro-abortion, they just accept there are certain circumstances, including rape, that would justify an abortion. No one is going to use it as birth control, it costs up to a grand or more depending on the area. Well, maybe donald trump could afford it but who’s gonna bang that guy anyway. If its concern for the life of a few cells, i personally would not care if I was aborted, i would not be alive to care. it wouldn’t make any difference, the world would keep on spinning the way it does now. Do any guys remember being circumcised at birth? probably pretty painful, but no recollection AT ALL and thats after 9 months. The fetus wouldnt know the difference
Reposted because I am also Brazilian and this person has a point.
What exactly would the U.S get out of the pro-life agenda being pushed through? Aborations made illegal? Well hate to break it to you, that’s not going to stop abortions.As some one from Brazil, the most catholic nation in the world that strictly bans abortion, I can tell you I know more Brazilians that have had abortions then Americans. Just instead of doing in in safe sterile doctors office’s, they throw themselves down stairs, do large amounts of drugs, or take “remedies” (basically posionous herbs) to cause miscarriages. Or they get themselves into debt paying unqualified black market “doctors” to give them abortions. Or they commit suicide, killing 2 “innocent people”. Is that any better?
Don’t you dare say Pro-choice is pro-murder. I HATE the idea of abortions. But I’m not going to allow my personal ideology to affect a rational policy decision. You’re just as pro-murder as I am, only you want it swept under the rug where you won’t hear about it, so you can feel better about yourself. Really fucking noble.
No one has the right to tell ANYONE what they should and shouldn’t do. Can’t you see we are all pro-choice. Do you let someone control your life? Are you seriously telling me you would give up all of your freedom and let someone control you? Of course not, that borders ridiculous. We all have CHOICES, because we weigh the consequences, both good and bad, and we decide what we will do. A Pro-Life individual made the CHOICE to NOT have an abortion. Hate to break it to you, you are all Pro-choice. No one forced you to keep the baby, it was your own decision. You and the Pro-Choice woman who did get an abortion, standing right next to you, are the same. Until the moment someone can tell me that they didn’t have a CHOICE when coming to term, I will remain a proponent of Women’s Choice.
The thing that every pro-choice advocate forgets is that to the pro-life advocates believe life begins at conception. That is where the two conflicting rights collide. The right for the woman to decide not to have a baby, and to have control over her body, and the right for the unborn baby to live. The problem with this debate is that there is a difference of opinion on when life begins. If it were proven that life actually began at conception and that abortion was the killing of a human being, then most pro-choice advocates would become pro-life. Conversely, if it were proven that life did not begin at conception, and life in fact began at birth, then most pro-life advocates would become pro-choice. There is a difference of opinion on when life begins, and our stances emanate from those opinions. So trying to convince a pro-life advocate to become pro-choice by preaching about the merits individual choice is non-sensical because killing a baby is never a choice.
Yes, but you don’t understand. You make the choice to engage in sexual intercourse and have a child. Unless it is by rape, then it was your CHOICE to have a baby. Doesn’t that make you Pro-Choice? I know that may be a hard question to answer, because you will try very hard to convince me that someone who is Pro-Life still does not have a choice in the matter.
This is why both sides of the coin need a name that’s not ridiculous ( a simple pro- or anti-abortion would suffice, but then it’s harder to argue the moral high ground). By your logic, I am pro-choice because I chose to have pizza for breakfast this morning, instead of being force-fed through a tube.
Why in the hell would (s)he answer your ridiculous argument with an equally nonsensical one? A pro-lifer doesn’t believe that there is no choice in the matter, they believe that killing human beings that can’t stand up for themselves is wrong. You have a choice to murder people, rob convenience stores and defraud your taxes. It doesn’t mean it’s right.
I was pro-life and so was my girlfriend. She got pregnant, unplanned. I chose to marry her. We chose to have the baby. We chose to have three more children. And those choices were the best choices I have ever made. Thank you.
You made a lot of choices for being pro life. A lot of couples in the same situation chose to not have that experience, and you have no right to take that away from them, just the same as they have no right to take your children away from you. Plus, you were clearly in a healthy situation where you took care of it and made it a healthy environment for children. Not all couples have that ability. Your situation changes nothing. Thank you.
My parents started out dirt-poor, and I’m glad I got to live long enough to decide whether or not my own life was worth living. There are plenty of things worse than death, but it’s not your decision if I should have lived to endure them or not.
I think the cartoon is more of a commentary on the motivations of the pro-choice crowd, and less of a exposure of pro-life hypocrisy. The cartoon gets right to the root of why someone is pro-choice. It is a selfish, self-serving act. The cartoon illustrates that pro-choice people want to be able to act irresponsibly and not have to deal with the consequences of their bad choices. The person in the cartoon turns from pro-life to pro-choice when she needs a “get out of jail free” card by recasting the humanity of the fetus. To her the fetus is no longer is a living baby, and becomes a blob of innocuous cells. The pro-choice people make the decision that the fetus is not living at different points in their lives. Some wait until they get pregnant to deny the humanity of the fetus while other pro-choice people make that decision preemptively as an insurance policy against having to deal with the consequences of their own irresponsibility. Either way that choice is made, and it is a way to ease the conscience of the pro-choice people.
actually, I think this is illustrates that you have no fucking right to form an opinion until it happens to you.
So is this trying to say that all abortions come from couples that planned to have a baby and abort? Sorry but people HAVE abortions to begin with because they did NOT intend to get pregnant. I happen to know someone who got pregnant and I assure you it did NOT turn them pro-choice and to this day they are at peace with their decision and would not change the way things went. I personally find it disgusting how judgmental most pro-lifers are while at the same time the vast majority are “christian”.
BL June 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM is correct in his/her logic. Thanks for having some common sense.
Pro-lifers are anti-abortion. I fail to see how this is in contradiction to the Christian faith. You may argue one way or another whether or not being pro-choice is compatible with Christianity, but certainly /not/ ending a life just in case it counts as human would be in line with the traditional values thereof. Pretty sure Jesus was anti-killing of people in general, based on what the man said.
One word: Adoption
That doesn’t fix the whole “I don’t want to squeeze a watermelon out of my vagina” part. You still have to go through giving birth and morning sickness and attachment just to give the baby to already full adoption agencies. What’s the point?
yeah, because there aren’t already enough parents without children there. I was given up for adoption, and group up mainly in foster homes. I’m one of the lucky few that was able to take care of my self and grow up somewhat well-adjusted. But i knew plenty of people who have miserable lives, crippling depression and drug habits, that struggle with personal identity. most of these people would of chosen to never live at all, rather then having to live with the unanswerable questions of “what is wrong with me?” “why didn’t my parent’s want me?” and “will I ever be ok?” how about you get informed, before you form your idiotic opinions?? in summary;
One word: moron.
* children without parents, not the other way around. sorry, i hope that doesn’t interfere with your understanding of your flawed logic. Thank you
If pro lifers don’t like killing, then why is it okay to kill people who kill (death sentence) but not to “kill” fetuses? Also, why call abortion murder? Murder is an act of hate. No pregnant women goes, “I hate my fetus, so I’m killing it.”
Would premeditated, voluntary manslaughter suit your tastes better? I believe the English word for that is ‘murder.’
And not all of us agree with capital punishment. I certainly don’t. Those who do would make the distinction that killing a murderer is not the same as killing an innocent person, but if asked, most of them would gladly renounce capital punishment if it meant getting rid of illegal abortion.
*Legal. Clearly, it is late and I am bleary-eyed. To bed, then.
Nope. I kept her, considered adoption but raised her myself with no help from anyone.
Hello, Pro- Lifers. I am an atheist. That means that 40% of your arguments are instantaneously thrown out the window when I am reading them and trying to make sense of your viewpoint. I also stay on top of medical developments. This means that 30% more of your arguments are also invalid, as they are disproven by far more reliable sources than a Jesusfreak with a computer. The other 30% could be viable, if a fetus could be scientifically proven to be sapient. Life does, in fact begin, at the moment of conception. The problem is, life does not equal sapience. A creature becomes sapient when they have compiled enough knowledge and experience to determine their actions based on wisdom and previously acquired knowledge. A fetus is incapable of reason, exerting will, or responding with a stingingly witty remark to an irreverent comment on an abortion forum. Until fetuses are proven to be sapient, which, I believe, is impossible, I will remain firmly rooted in the Pro- Choice camp.
And children aren’t born with the ability to use reason or logic, and so don’t base their action off of wisdom, pre-acquired knowledge or experience. By your logic, we should be able to kill them until they’re at least 5. And I’ve seen plenty of grown-ass adults on this site who couldn’t even articulate a complete sentence, let alone give witty remarks. I don’t think that means I can go their house and terminate them. On the other hand, a fetus jostling its mother’s ribcage with a well-placed foot is an act of both will and motor control, but depending on what state you live in (most of them), you can abort them anyway. The fetus may not have willed to kick its mother, but it did will its foot to move.
The point is that there is an arbitrary line between what counts as ‘murder’ and what counts as ‘removing a parasite.’ And in a pro-choice argument, that arbitrary line is drawn… Wherever is most convenient. They’re willing to take a chance Most people who are pro-life, however, will tell you that a human life begins at conception. Anyone who tries to take that to the conclusion that a sperm or egg is a human life needs to retake high school biology. Each of those are gametes; they lack a full set of human DNA. A zygote, on the other hand, has a full set of human DNA, which would be the minimum requirement for human life. Genetically speaking, a zygote is a homo Sapien from the moment it’s formed. Period. Shall I be forced to assume that since you “stay on top of medical developments,” you chose to willfully ignore this? I wasn’t aware that we could evolve from one species to another within one lifetime, much less many, but I guess I missed that issue of Harvard Medical, Scientific American, Nation Geographic, Time, take your pick. I mean, that would be breaking freaking news. Furthermore, saying the fetus isn’t human because it’s a parasite isn’t really any different than saying someone who’s permanently comatose and can’t feed themselves, but euthanasia is illegal in many of the same places where abortion is legal.
If we’re going to argue that they’re a ball of cells and not a baby (or ‘fetus’, if you prefer, though it’s just Latin for ‘baby’), then my question is: How many cells have to comprise a body before it counts as human? Is someone with fewer cells less of a person than someone with more? It’s a ridiculous extreme, but then so is saying that a fetus isn’t human because it doesn’t look like one. Some people are horribly deformed for one reason or another, and they don’t magically lose their humanity because of it. As a side note, a lot of the same people who are pro-abortion are against cruelty to animals, even though they aren’t human. While I agree with that particular noble stance, I find it strange that that sense of compassion often doesn’t extend to all of the human race (I’m not implying that all animal rights activists are pro-abortion, or vice verse). That’s every bit as hypocritical as an anti-abortionist who advocates capital punishment (and as above not all of them do).
Lastly, this one puzzles me. One decides that until we can prove a fetus is sentient, we should be allowed to kill it. This is essentially playing roulette with one’s own sense of conscience, assuming they think killing another human being is wrong at least most of the time (if not always). Could one reconcile their conscience if they had an abortion and the scientific, legal and political establishments all agreed that ‘humanity’ begins at a time in fetal development that was /before/ their baby was aborted? Whether or not one believes in a god, gods, flying spaghetti monsters, or cosmic punishment, they probably find it morally reprehensible to take another person’s life. If not, they should consult the latest edition of the DSM, because it lists several disorders that that symptom falls under, and last I heard, being a sociopath doesn’t work as a defense in court.
I hope none of you guys ever have to make that decision, it is a hard choice to make but it is never black and white, it is in shades of grey. You have no idea what the poor girl is going through or how she events lead to her being pregnant. Think before you judge.
Yeah. I know if I ended up pregnant and I was forced to keep it I would become depressed, I would have to move back home, moving back home means dropping out of school, moving back home means leaving my friends, moving back home means leaving my boyfriend, back home I only have family that is it. I would mentally not be able to handle going through with the pregnancy.
Anyone who would wishes and says I deserve the depression, giving up my future, having to raise it on my own, years of regret, having to give up everything that I know and makes me happy, and giving up being able to support that child on my own upon me is a horrible human being.
Or you could just put it up for fucking adoption? Holy shit, that was easy.
By any chance are you of the male persuasion? Because if you are (and even if you are not) you have overlooked the most important part of this entire situation. THE PAIN OF CHILDBIRTH. Go through all of that so I can put a child up for adoption? I DON’T THINK SO YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS, PRO-LIFER. And one more thing. Putting a child up for adoption is NEVER EASY. The process is long and complicated and it often results in an unhappy and unfulfilled life for your child. The emotional toll taken on people who put children up for adoption is terrible. Now, before you keep on spitting out your illogical little arguments (such as the one you have just submitted), I’d like you too take a look at this whole abortion debate in a completely different way. Abortion= a woman’s choice, a way to cut down on Medicare and Food Stamp usage in the US (if the mother cannot afford to feed or provide medical care for the child), a thing that is not accepted in some groups of people just because of religion (should not be mixed with government EVER, not in a million years. The US needs a completely secular government unclouded by the idea of religion to function) and political parties (Republicans/Conservatives= close minded individuals who relish in taking rights away from people instead of giving them). And one more thing before I leave you to your thoughts. Did you completely miss the top part of this comment? Because in the top part of this comment, it says that if she were to keep the child (not to get an abortion. And by keep, I just mean not getting an abortion. Not keep as in not putting the child up for adoption) she would have to quit school, move back to her parents’ home, and leave her friends and her boyfriend. How can this be avoided by giving the child up for adoption? It’s not as if putting the kid up for adoption will help her keep herself in school because an abortion happens AFTER PREGNANCY in case you weren’t sure (just making sure, you sound like a complete and utter ignoramus from your comment). Putting the child up for adoption does not mean that you can still stay in school and support yourself while you are pregnant (or did you not know that?). Thank you for reading and let me just say, abortions should be a right afforded to any woman who wants one. She should have the power to have one and the boyfriend/husband/rapist/friend/casual acquaintance who impregnated the aforementioned woman, should have absolutely no right to choose whether or not she has the baby. A woman’s body is her own and she deserves to make every and all choices regarding it. That is all. Have a nice day 🙂
i had one, and i’m not secretly pro-choice. doin’ pretty great, actually; i’ve always been glad that i stuck to my convictions. the circumstances were soul-crushing at the very beginning, but my kid turned out happy, healthy, and worth more than anything to our family.
Apparently this person has never visited a trailer park
WTF??? No. Not everyone goes on a murder spree after they’ve made a mistake!
What the hell is wrong with all of you trolls? do you realize that this stupid internet argument through comments on a COMEDIC picture is maybe the stupidest place for you to make your pro-whatever stance? go out and have fun, or at least just hit stumble again, instead of getting pissed off at anonymous comments from people just as stupid as you are. stop acting like jackasses for practically the whole world to see. I hope I don’t know any of you people in real life.
Here’s an idea to all the guys that are prolife… Ur sperm is technically “alive” … So suggestion ? Don’t jerk off and kill your future kids lol after all they need body temperature to survive an you wouldn’t want to kill them now would you lol
False. Technically “alive” indicates a heartbeat and nervous system required to sustain life. My swimmers? Not alive. Your unborn fetus? It has a heartbeat at 18 days. Congratulations on your invalid argument.
No, you are wrong. A heartbeat and a nervous system are requirements made by doctors to determine if a fully grown human patient is still alive. These are practical definitions and not scientific ones. They are used for clinical reasons. It is also absurd to apply this criteria to a non-fully grown human.
Also, sperm alone don’t have the possibility to become human beings. Fertilized eggs do. Guess you didn’t really think that one through huh?
Not true. Been there.
I wished everyday of my life that i was aborted. I should not have been. I am now on anti-depressents and not able to attain a gun after several suicide attempts. If someone should come upon another mode of death that is unseen by the eyes of a conventional human please share so that I may correct my mother’s sins.
What’s your side of the bet? More murder?
Yeah because most of us, or are parents, were planned.
sperm alone don’t have the possibility to become human beings.
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